JG: Welcome to the WCCG forum archie
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archie: New to this so jus looking for some fish
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JG: Hi archie what type of fish are you looking for?
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JG: New Meeting Location Secured for 2017!
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JG: MERRY CHRISTMAS to all of our friends here and on our Facebook group!!!! 2017 is gonna be a blast for WCCG!
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fin: happy new year everyone
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jred: in chat for a bit
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jred: Hey Everyone - sorry I forgot to post the meeting change for January - it will be occurring tomorrow night (January 19th) at 6:30pm please see the events folder for details
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WEST: To all Group Member's is there also a FB page for this group if so can someone post a link for all Members & guests to join ..
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The Michigan Cichlid Association annual fish room tour is being held tomorrow and plans to be a fun filled event.
At present five WCCG members will be participating on the tour as some of us are also MCA members. I'm looking forward to gleen a few ideas for my own fish room. Everybody you meet is your teacher and each day is a classroom.
I attended the 2015 tour and had a great time. With Canucks joining me this year it will be even better!
Below is what is in store for those attending:
1. Scott McKenzie Scott started keeping/breeding fish about 3yrs ago as a hobby to do with his kids. They now maintain around 50tanks as a family.
2. Marty Derenge Marty currently maintains over 100 tanks with a little bit of everything. He has a number of Old World Cichlids, New World Cichlids & Plecos
3. Peter & Kathy Durkin Whatever is written here will not do justice to operation that the Durkin’s have. The Durkin’s have simply an amazing collection of breeding stock consisting of Tropheus to Plecos and everything in between.
4. Jeurgen Kasprick Juergen’s fishroom was featured in a video on Tedsfishroom.com. He maintains a number of Killies, tetras, and livebearers, as well as propagating his own live foods. In addition - Those of you who are looking into ways to setup water change systems... you're in for a special treat.
BAP auction, mini auction, raffle, free food (please bring a dish to pass) * + members only sponge filter group buy pick up.
Well I guess I will give my perspective of the day. To start my in-laws show up late so I have to wait around before I can drop off the wife at the designated meeting spot (they were headed to Belle Isle for the indie races, I graciously gave up my spot haha). After arrivi to the first location, I find Mike coming up the stairs so we chat about the CRAZY amount of hardware Scott had accumulated over the years. As I was still in design phase of my fish room I held off buying much but decided to wait until the next room. I will say Scott had used his basement quite well and his fish were extremely healthy so kudos to him and his kids who maintain the tanks. Unfortunately the next spot didn't have anything for sale, but Jurgen was unparrelleled with his knowledge and ingenuity for his room. He also had some minnows that were absolutely stunning and a daphinia culture from 1962 which was awesome. The third stop I had been to before but it was still as crazy as the first time, Durkin's fishroom is packed wall to wall with plecos, synos, tangs, SA cichlids, and many more oddballs. gtomike, fin, and JG were having a field day and I did my best to resist buying anything. Unfortunately I broke down and bought some synodontis petricola which I should have bought double per Mike's advice but live and let learn. The final stop was Martys house for the bbq, which unfortunately I couldn't stay long for as I had a prearranged pick up in Ann Arbor. I did a quick tour of the fish room which include some rarer malwai, a few SA and other oddballs like a completely BLUE pleco. After the quick tour I was on the highway, through detours and harsh rain I finally made it and got my fish. I will do a separate thread about those. A quick while later I was back in Canada and got the fish into their temporary homes. Overall it was a great trip but I should have planned my fish pickup a bit better. Alright boys, time for you to chime in
Happy to say that the 2016 MCA Fish Room Tour was another successful event!
There were four WCCG members participating: gtomike, jred, fin and myself. All of us had a ball!
After loading up the vehicle with coolers, bodies and cash we head to the US of A! We crossed the tunnel and cleared US Immigration in about 5 minutes total and make our way to the meeting point.
After picking up some drinks and snacks for the day at Aldi we head over to Scott MacKenzie's, 2015 MCA Rookie Breeder of the Year. For an aquarist just three years in the hobby, Scott has dived in head first. Primarily keeping Malawian Peacocks, he also had a few Mbuna and a number of other species from Lake Victoria and Tanganyika. Scott managed to make an efficient use of the small space he had for his tanks. Most of his tanks were aligned front to back to maximize space. Had he arranged them in the traditional manner he would have only have room for about half of his tanks. I wasn't really in a buying mood at the time as I'm re-building the fishroom and having it insulated. It took a lot of restraint not to purchase many of the beautiful species Scott had on offer. As jred previously mentioned, Scott had invested a lot into his hobby. He had tens of tanks lined up for sale in his driveway and near his garage. Lots of other items such has sponge filters, rocks, parts, etc. I did give in somewhat and purchased an absolutely stunning piece of Texas Holey Rock. I plan to put that in a show tank eventually or maybe just a fry tank.
Next up was Jeurgen Kasprick's "Old School" fishroom. Juergen has been in the hobby for over 40 years and it shows. Lots of metal tanks, old style box filters and a water top off system that was very cool to see. Juergen had a tank full of what they called "Russian Daphnia" which he acquired from another hobbyist back in the 1960's. These daphnia were huge and were brought over from Moscow in the 60's by the American hobbyist who shared some with him. It's incredible that he has maintained that colony for so long! Jeurgen had a fantastic group of Killifish, truly rare livebearers, etc. It was great to see someone so dedicated to the hobby and committed to participating in the various local clubs. If memory serves me well, Jeurgen is a Director of the Motor City Aquarium Society. Ted Judy once visited Jeurgen's fishroom and produced a very interesting video that I encourage all of you to watch.
Next up was a visit to the Durkin Fish Hatchery of Peter and Kathy Durkin. Mike and I were especially looking forward to visiting Pete's hatchery as we missed the visit last fall... I had surgery to remove two wisdom teeth and was in no shape to take in the visit or cross the border with a mouth full of blood. According to jred, the Durkin's had closed off more then half of the fishroom on the last visit. This time he opened up the floodgates and we were able to see all of the tanks, fishes, etc. The Durkin's aren't your typical hobbyists as this is their full-time profession. They produce fish for wholesalers, fish farms in Florida, pet stores, etc. For those of us who attend the various Michigan and Ohio auctions you will unlikely have stumbled about their fishes at some point. It's difficult to know where to start. Plecos-a-plenty were to be found and Kathy was the undisputed "Pleco Queen". It was great to see Windsor's "Pleco King" and Michigan's "Pleco Queen" trade notes. Too many plecos to list but so many to buy. I again resisted temptation but it wasn't easy. I believe fin jumped on some plecos. After looking into all of the pleco tanks and South American dwarf cichlid tanks I made my way over to the Lake Tanganyika tanks. Wow! Too many Altolamprologus calvus and compressiceps to count. I wanted them all but thinking of where to currently put them in my fishroom I settled on a group of six Altolamprologus compressiceps to add to one of my current groups. I currently have them isolated as they are tiny compared to my original group. I enquired about purchasing some of the larger fishes but Pete didn't want to break up his breeding groups. I did glean a valuable nugget from Pete in spawning both calvus and comps which I wasn't aware of - thanks Pete! gtomike was like a kid in the candy store and finally fulfilled his dream of keeping the beautiful Tropheus species from Lake Tanganyika. He didn't buy one species but jumped right in and purchased multiples groups! I'm really looking forward to his future success with those. I'll let gtomike chime in with more details. fingtomikejred and I were the last hobbyists to leave the Durkin Hatchery. Too much to see, too many things to pick the Durkin's brains about, etc. I think I speak for all of us when I say that we'll be returning shortly to visit Pete and Kathy!
Last but not least, we made our way to the location of the party/meeting at Marty Derenge's home, Treasurer and former President of the MCA. Marty keeps a wide range of fishes and had a very nicely laid out room, maximizing every inch available in his dedicated room. He also ran a gas heater in the room instead of using heaters in every tank... I think he must've touched based with gtomike for that idea. I saw some Labidochromis sp. Mbamba but Marty wasn't certain that they were Mbamba or Cynotilapia Jalo Reef as they can look similar to each other when very young. I also saw a group of Labidochromis sp. Tumbi Reef that I considered picking up but again I used wisdom and put that off until another day.
Okay, fast forward to the party!!
Steak anyone! Yeah we were throwing back steak, salad, etc. Nothing like a full stomach after a long day of driving and checking out fish. Raffle anyone?!?! Unlike the CAOAC convention in which gtomike and I deliberately avoided buying raffle tickets, we were all in at the MCA raffle. Unfortunately the CAOAC raffle was kinda pricey and didn't offer any specials for multiple ticket purchases and the prizes weren't as practical for either of us. After the pulling of many tickets and the selecting of many items, gtomike, fin and I walked away with far more raffle wins then we spent in tickets. Lots of fish food, Marina breeder boxes, cichlid stones, etc. and of course I pulled the 20G Long tank which is finding a new home at the Red Rack Hatcheries.
I forgot to mention the really cool fishes donated to the Party by Seagrest Farms and the fishes on auction for the BAP. The BAP fishes went really fast and for good prices. I didn't select any of the fishes as again not good timing for me. Later on, just prior to leaving for Canada a young inexperienced hobbyist gave me a pair of Madagascar cichlids, Paretroplus menarambo, that are extinct in the wild. Uh oh! These beautiful cichlids will reach 10" at adult size so I'm looking to find them a new home or I'll be setting up a 120G just for these two beauties. If you're interested let me know.
On the way home, we hit a major rainstorm and we could only see about 20 feet in front of the vehicle. Thankfully we reached Canada in one piece and cleared Canadian Immigration & Customs with all of our dollars safely tucked away in our wallets.
Looking forward to the 2017 MCA Fish Room Tour and to the Inaugural WCCG Fish Room Tour!
OK Here goes I was looking forward for this as soon as I found out about it the thought of seeing 3 fish rooms and a hatchery and bringing back home hard to find healthy and cheap fish will wake you up at 5:35 am.
I had a few hours to kill off so I started off my day hitting are town wide yard sale a few miles from home did all right being the early bird I picked up a a bow front aquarium $10.00 and something else I have been looking for a 5 cubic ft freezer for the fish room got that for $25.00 8:30 came fast and I headed home to unload my finds.
Quick shower and jump into my clothes wearing my Sweet looking WCCG shirt and hat off I head to Windsor and hook up with Jay then off to pick up Steve (fin) then through the tunnel too find only 3 cars in the line at US Customs thought it would be a mess with the Detroit Grand Pix going on all weekend.
We arrive at the meeting spot a good 30 minutes early and just hang out with the others as they start to pull in by 11 am we had a good size group ready to start the long day ahead.
First stop was a mile away the home of Scott we pulled up and it was the worlds biggest Fishy Yard Sale he had 100 tanks laid out down the driveway on the other side was all the stuff you would ever need for your tank a massive amount of stuff.
I picked up 12 ATI filters minus the sponges a bag of bases and a bag of other parts for $22.00 you would be lucky to walk out of your LFS in Ontario with 1 #5 filter for $22.00
Off to the basement to check out Scott's fish room not a really big room but when you are putting 65g talls in length wise it dosen`t take long to surpass the 1,000 gallon mark.
Scott had tanks with different types of African Cichlids most were $2 $3 and $5 each this is the way to buy fish right from the breeder and you get to see the parents no surprises 6 months latter when your fry mature and not all stressed out after being tossed around till they make there way to the store at 4 times the price.
Next stop was Jeurgen`s not a big room but very well planed out even had a full laboratory at the one end for looking into anything that might be wrong with your fish I also picked up a decent Microscope for my fish room last year at a yard sale for $50.00 cheap insurance if something goes wrong better to find out the problem before you throw every medicine out there in your tank.
Unfortunately nothing was for sale poor Jason was getting ready to bag himself some shellies and hide them under his shirt got to talk about a few things Jeurgen had you could listen to him for hours he`s been at it since the 60`s.
He had a few tanks of Russian Daphia that were bought over in 1962 to keep the water clean in alligator tanks this strain is very large Jeurgen got his in 1967 and has been keeping the same ones breeding for 49 years that is some dedication there.
The main event and a long time coming getting to see Peter & Kathy`s Fish Hatchery all I knew about it was there was over 800 tanks and bring a flash light because there`s only ceiling lights.
The first room was large how large not sure but you could put 6 cars in there if there wasn`t 300 tanks in the way and the room was tank to tank full of pleco`s I was having hot flashes in there looking at a possible 10,000 plus pleco`s this is Kathy`s room Michigans very own Pleco Queen Goddess and Mad Scientist all in one small women.
Kathy is responsible for many different morphs of the common Bristlenose Plecos and if you seen the amount of breeding pairs she is working with you would know why I have talked to her before at the OCA about the genetics behind the BN plecos.
I was able to go even deeper with her as she showed me and explained what to do to avoid crosses that produce fry that come out back to the common brown she also explained why my one pair of pleco`s is producing 5 different morphs and which ones to keep and pair up for breeding I did have one pairing in mind to breed that she has never tried before but other than that I got all the info I need to reproduce the different morphs on this side of the border 2018 should be a great year for plecos in my hatchery.
There were 10 morphs of BN pleco`s for sale starting at $3.00 up to $25.00 as well as L 75,91,124,168,190,191,190.199.200,201,234,240,340 these were large wild caught adults priced from $15.00 to $40.00 you could drop a grand in that room easily.
Off to Peters room big is not a big enough word for this room it`s humongous and it is stacked to the max with tanks and there was lots of tanks over the 100-200 gallon range Peter is a hero at different swap meets and auctions when he hit`s the OCA swap meet you can`t get near him he clears out over a hundred bags of fish in under 45 minutes.
He`s well know for his 5/$25.00 bags of fish and that`s not stuff your going to find in 99% of any store in Ontario no matter how far your going to drive and how much gas you burn you will never come home with a better buy.
I was losing track at what aisles I was in and what ones I hadn`t been in yet there was something going on in every square inch one thing that was bizarre there were cereal bowls everywhere with eggs and an airstone tumbling Cichlid eggs of different types some bowls had fry swimming in them waiting to go into one the hundreds of 10g tanks.
I came for one main reason and that was TROPHEUS and the first main aisles were full of Tropheus breeding colonies that I have only seen in pictures I wanted a dozen of each kind I was really after some Red Rainbows there was a big colony of them but Peter was out of fry for sale nice to see them and will be even better when I get my own.
I decided on a few types and was a little disappointed he could only find 7 T. Red Ndole Bay but made up for it giving me 12 larger T. Moorii for $5.00 each where are you going to get 19 F1 Tropheus for $95.00 .
There were so many different Cichlids for sale for $3-5.00 each you could spend thousands and not be able to get a half dozen of each truly was a dream come true to be able to purchase fish that you will never see at any store and at wholesale.
Peter also has cory`s and other catfish and the most amazing row of Rainbow fish you will ever see in one place counting the days till I can get back to the hatchery Peter and Kathy are one busy couple looking after that many tanks as well as hitting all the local swap meets and auctions in MI and nearby states.
Next time I'll shoot more video. Nothing like a day of countless fishes, lots of laughs and fun with fishy friends from both sides of the border. Scott had a sick amount of tanks for sale. The WCCG Boys Hit Durkin Part 2 coming to a theatre near you!!